Richard Nicholson

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Even though I am not a member of the particular Scrutiny panel I understand about acknowlegements.</div> <div> Just to point out a few things:</div> <div> <IMG BORDER="0" SRC="Symb075c00b700f000000000.gif" HEIGHT="16" WIDTH="24" ALIGN="bottom" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0">The decision is effectively frozen until scrutiny report. They cannot overturn a decision but can ask for it to be looked at again. </div> <div> <IMG BORDER="0" SRC="Symb075c00b700f000000000.gif" HEIGHT="16" WIDTH="24" ALIGN="bottom" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0">I do not think the Tory majority will allow this to be scrutinized. </div> <div> <IMG BORDER="0" SRC="Symb075c00b700f000000000.gif" HEIGHT="16" WIDTH="24" ALIGN="bottom" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0">I note what you say about Cllr I Gregory, although his honesty is admirable I cannot help wonder how this shower could ever take a properly well thought out decision. </div> <div> <IMG BORDER="0" SRC="Symb075c00b700f000000000.gif" HEIGHT="16" WIDTH="24" ALIGN="bottom" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0">The site is being sold at uder price, at least £1 million, who benefits? Someone must. </div> <div> <IMG BORDER="0" SRC="Symb075c00b700f000000000.gif" HEIGHT="16" WIDTH="24" ALIGN="bottom" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0">On this issue I know of another lot that need "potty training!"</div> <bR> <div> <B>Cllr Richard Nicholson</B></div> <bR> <bR> <div> In a message dated 28/10/2004 13:42:18 GMT Standard Time, richard3369@tesco.net writes: </div> <div> Apologies </div> <div> Cllr R Nicholson Leader of the Labour Group on TDC.</div> <bR> <bR> <div> Thanks I'll publish your comments with my replies at thanetonline.com this weekend</div> <bR> <bR> <div> in a message dated 28/10/2004 13:08:34 GMT Standard Time, richard3369@tesco.net writes: </div> <div> Dear Mr Child</div> <div> I can assure you I have not as yet recieved an e mail direct from you</div> <div> although I along with others did recieved your letter this week.</div> <div> May I make it perfectly clear that the position of the Labour group on TDC</div> <div> is well documented and we have not wavered from this position.</div> <div> On the matter of your letter I have nothing to add or endorse by way of the</div> <div> content, this is a matter for yourself alone.</div> <div> Regards</div> <div> ----- Original Message ----- </div> <div> From: <MichaelChild@aol.com></div> <div> To: <zita@wiltshire/.fsworld.co.uk></div> <div> Cc: <Barbara.nicholson216@tesco.net>; <bill-hayton@bhayton.fsnet.co.uk>;</div> <div> <bobbreggub@aol.com>; <brianandann@birchpark.fsnet.co.uk>;</div> <div> <cllrboggs@hotmail.com>; <dgreen.home@btinternet.com>;</div> <div> <Greenliz@btinternet.com>; <higgsl@parliament.uk>; <ian.gregory@ekht.uk>;</div> <div> <Ingrid.spencer@talk21.com>; <jackbernard.cohen@virgin.net>;</div> <div> <jeff.kirkpatrick@btinternet.com>; <jobooth@tinyworld.co.uk>;</div> <div> <johnfullarton@hotmail.com>; <llaldred@yahoo.co.uk>;</div> <div> <margatecarnival@tesco.net>; <michellefenneer@hotmail.com>;</div> <div> <poole@btinternet.com>; <richard3369@tesco.net>;</div> <div> <roger.latchford@btinternet.com>; <simonday@clara.co.uk>;</div> <div> <steve_ward@btinternet.com>; <trevoremes@freenet.co.uk>;</div> <div> <bowenfuller@hotmail.com>; <zita@wiltshire/.fsworld.co.uk></div> <div> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 10:37 AM</div> <div> Subject: Emailing your councillors</div> <bR> <bR> <bR> <bR> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="627" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 20 WIDTH="190"><div> Subj:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="430"><div> <B>Re: (no subject) </B></div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="190"><div> Date:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="430"><div> 22/04/2004 09:57:23 GMT Daylight Time</div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="190"><div> From:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="430"><div> <U>richard3369@tesco.net</U></div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="190"><div> To:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="430"><div> <U>MichaelChild@aol.com</U></div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=CENTER COLSPAN=2 BGCOLOR=#C0C0C0 HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="621"><div> <I>Sent from the Internet </I><FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><I><U>(Details)</U></I></FONT></div> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <bR> <div> The displays were in the TDC offices in York Street. </div> <div> The point about property prices is well made but I can assure you regular statutory revisions of land prices have and are made. In fact I know another revision is currently being made at present and some people think the price paid for the land is the end of the matter, not so! The current agreement, not yet agreed in fact as yet, specifically includes a "profit sharing" so the final amount recieved will be well in excess of the basic. What has not been agreed is how this will be calculated. I when still Leader had suggested TDC recieve an agreed percentage of the published sale price on an "open book" basis. This means if the developer finds it prudent to "give a small incentive" to potential buyers then the Taxpayers do not suffer, but the open book means if properties sell well above the published price then an additional sum is paid to TDC. I do not think my suggestions are being taken forward but I reserve judgement until I see the proposed final agreement, if it ever gets to that stage. </div> <div> On your final point I understand but this arises from the fact the "final plans" agreed by the Tories did not match what was agreed by Council in Dec 2002. At that meeting it was also agreed any alterations of significance, and there are usually minor ones, would be discussed with officers and in consultation with the Leader and Cabinet member for Regeneration. This was not done in my view and as far as I can ascertain since May last year only Planning Officers were involved and that was not the thing to do. You should note I have asked the current Leader if He had meetings with the developer, were officers present on all occasions and were minutes taken? I have done this in open Council and by letter. I have not as yet had a reply! </div> <div> I hope this helps clarify some matters and please feel free to contact me further if you need any further information. </div> <div> Regards</div> <bR> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="627" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 20 WIDTH="254"><div> Subj:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="366"><div> <B>Re: (no subject) </B></div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="254"><div> Date:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER><NOBR><div> 21/04/2004 14:14:41 GMT Daylight Time</div> </NOBR></tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="254"><div> From:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="366"><div> <U>Michael Child</U></div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="254"><div> To:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="366"><div> <U>richard3369@tesco.net</U></div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=CENTER COLSPAN=2 BGCOLOR=#C0C0C0 HEIGHT= 38 WIDTH="621"><div> <I>Right-click picture(s) to display picture options</I></div> <bR> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <bR> <div> Dear Cllr Nicholson</div> <div> Yes, I missed the displays and would be interested in where in Ramsgate town centre they were. in the case of the public works along the Eastern side one of my customers gave me a leaflet when they were nearly finished, showing the project, I put it on the wall in the shop by the till and most our customers commented that it was the first information they had seen about it.</div> <div> You may have missed my point that because of the more than doubling of property values in Ramsgate in the last 3 years it is now economically a very different ball game especially in the prime seafront positions. If for example you build a 3 story building on the seafront containing a swimming pool and 30 three bedroom apartments the apartments will sell for about £200,000 each that is a total of six million pounds. Part of this money can be used to finance the swimming pool. The SFP Ventures Partners project contains over 100 apartments. Only a short time ago the same apartments in Ramsgate would have been hard to sell at £60,000 you can confirm this information by phoning any of the Ramsgate estate agents. In fact you will probably find that I have understated the values considerably</div> <div> I think most of the problems with the current development stem from a difference between local peoples and the councils perception of the meaning of consultation.</div> <div> Kind regards Michael Child</div> <bR> <bR> <div> In a message dated 21/04/2004 13:47:15 GMT Daylight Time, richard3369@tesco.net writes:</div> <bR> <div> Subj: <B>Re: (no subject) </B></div> <div> Date: 21/04/2004 13:47:15 GMT Daylight Time</div> <div> From: <FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><U>richard3369@tesco.net</U></FONT></div> <div> To: <FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><U>MichaelChild@aol.com</U></FONT></div> <div> <I>Sent from the Internet </I></div> <bR> <bR> <bR> <div> Thank you for your e mail on this matter. The decision by Council was quite clear and the development is returned to the original plan agreed by Full Council in Dec 2002. I also suspect this will be overturned in some way in July but we will have to wait and see.</div> <div> On the mater of liesure facilities the more the merrier but unless the private sector come along with money and are willing to do so then little will happen. I would though welcome your entry into this area. There are sites available along both the East and West sides. There have been attempts made previously but unfortunately they came to nothing.</div> <div> You mention the public works along the Eastern side which by your tone you appear to be not happy about. Please remember what this area was like in 1995 and I must point out the recent Blue Flag award would not have happened without these beach side facilities.</div> <div> There has not to my knowledge been any further enquiries from the private sec tor over the last year nor do I know of any attemps in the last year to tempt developers here. Waiting for a knock on the door is not the way to continue the revival started by the previous administration.</div> <div> On consultation there was of course full consultation and the "extra" over the Ramsgate Masterplanning exercise, perhaps you missed the displays?</div> <div> Regards</div> <bR> <div> ----- Original Message ----- </div> <div> <B>From:</B> <FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><U>MichaelChild@aol.com</U></FONT> </div> <div> <B>To:</B> <FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><U>richard3369@tesco.net</U></FONT> </div> <div> <B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 20, 2004 4:03 PM</div> <div> <B>Subject:</B> (no subject)</div> <bR> <bR> <div> Dear Cllr Nicholson</div> <div> I am sorry this is rather a long and complicated email written while juggling time between two two year old children and working.</div> <bR> <div> I work in a shop in Ramsgate; recently a lot of the customers have been asking what is happening with Ramsgate sea front. </div> <div> I decided last week to write to all of the councillors to find out the situation relating to the old Pleasurama site. </div> <div> The first few emails produced some fairly contradictory replies.</div> <div> So I have published them at http://www.thanetonline.com/pleasurama/ so that people can read them for themselves. </div> <bR> <div> It seemed to me that a lot of local people, regardless of which part of Thanet they lived in used Ramsgate town and seafront and in view of the recent full council meeting effectively reversing the decision on the new seafront development were prepared to make their views known to their councillors. </div> <bR> <div> It would also seem that the local leisure facilities will be an important factor in future local elections so it would be helpful to discover where councillors stood on this issue.</div> <bR> <div> I decided that I would re-think the question and ask all of the councillors what their position is on leisure facilities in Ramsgate. This is partly because the Pleasurama site was the main family leisure facility on the seafront and partly because of Ramsgate beaches status as one of the best in the UK.</div> <bR> <div> Since the original proposals submitted for redevelopment by STF which they presumably considered economic the property values of seafront apartments in Ramsgate have more than doubled in value. This would mean an increase in the profit made from the project of about £30,000,000 presumably sufficient to finance appropriate beach leisure facilities (swimming pool ice rink etc.) </div> <bR> <bR> <div> You may be aware of various initiatives that relate to leisure facilities in Ramsgate in the past, these include: </div> <div> The demolition of the marina swimming pool; </div> <div> The demolition of the adjacent Victorian theatre; </div> <div> The removal of the majority of the beach for port building materials; </div> <div> The rejection of the sea life centre, </div> <div> The closing of the royal Victoria pavilion sun deck, </div> <div> The efforts to provide the world war 2 museum in the tunnel. </div> <div> The concreting over of most of the parking on the sea front </div> <div> The closing of the model village </div> <div> The removal of the tourist information centre to where tourists are unlikely to find it </div> <div> The removal of all the beach huts.</div> <bR> <div> The result is that the main seafront area that was the main leisure area of the town has somehow become a leisure free zone and although a large amount of what were leisure areas have tuned into car parks the amount of available parking on the seafront has now decreased.</div> <bR> <div> The remaining leisure facilities in the town and seafront area are mostly bars and restaurants some of the public buildings in the area are disused or partly disused, like the customs house and the pavilion.</div> <bR> <div> The reduction of parking, both on street and available car parks at a level that would seem more appropriate to a busy resort town with a park and ride scheme have combined with the lack of leisure facilities to produce the worst rental return on High Street shops in southern England with many empty and derelict buildings.</div> <bR> <div> There is a genuine feeling of lack of consultation over major projects in the town. This could be partly resolved by displaying plans and artists impressions in the shop window of the town partnership.</div> <bR> <div> I look forward to your comments.</div> <div> Kind regards Michael child.</div> <div> Please reply by email to michaelchild@aol.com </div> <bR> <bR> <bR> <bR> <bR> <bR> </td> </tr></table></body>